Self Bias Resistor: Οι Fear Factory στην Αθήνα

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Η Music Box Productions επισημοποίησε σήμερα την είδηση. Ένα νέο που σαφώς χαροποιεί, σκεπτόμενος κανείς πόσα μεγάλα κεφάλαια της δεκαετίας του ’90 δεν κατάφεραν τελικά να επισκεφθούν την χώρα. Την ίδια στιγμή ο Κρίστιαν Όλντ Ουόλμπερς παραδίδει μαθήματα κιθάρας μέσω video chat και πωλεί μπάσο και μέρος του εξοπλισμού του.  Ας είναι και μισή μερίδα, θα έλεγε κάποιος, αλλά ο Ντίνο Καζάρες θα έκανε σίγουρα παράπονο για αυτό και εγώ δεν μπορώ να ξεχάσω δίσκους όπως τον Αρχέτυπο.  Η νομικές διαδικασίες βρίσκονται σε εξέλιξη, οι αντιδράσεις των δύο πλευρών όμως δείχνουν πως το θέμα του ονόματος τουλάχιστον έχει διευθετηθεί και καθείς έχει πάρει τον δρόμο του. Η συγκεκριμένη περίπτωση παρουσιάζει ομοιότητες με εκείνη των Σεπουλτούρα, αλλά και ιδιαιτερότητες που αποθαρρύνουν το φίλο του σχήματος από το να πάρει θέση (ακόμη). Ακολουθεί ένας προ εξαμηνίας διάλογος, όταν δίνονταν μάχες για την κατάκτηση των διαδικτυακών εδαφών.

-How do I get «official» information put into the wiki if the moderators say my involvement with the band is a conflict of interest? Until the legal issues are settled the wrong line-up is on the wiki and I need to change it.Thanks, Douglas A. Maske. (FearFactory.com and RaymondHerrera.com’s webmaster)

-You need to provide a reliable and verifiable source. But I’m sure this has all been mentioned to you before. Rehevkor (Wikipedia editor)

-Raymond would like to know who the reliable and verifiable source is that updated the wiki to the band line-up listed. This band line up (Bell/Cazares/Stroud/Hoglan) is incorrect until the legal issues are worked out. Also, if you’re considering Blabbermouth a reliable and verifiable source you should rethink this. They are not only biased since they are owned by RoadRunner Records but they also accept articles from non reliable and verifiable sources according to Wiki’s Nazi standards.

-Wiki’s Nazi standards? Sigh. I have mucho respect for Mr. Herrera but it’s a shame he has someone with your attitude representing him. I’m done trying to help you. Good luck.

-Actually I don’t feel you have tried to help me, in my opinion you’ve directed me to documents that pretty much states that Wiki will allow anyone with a media source update these pages and credible sources that work with the band like myself don’t have access to do anything. I’m sorry if you took offense to my personal opinion of Wiki’s rules and regulations but if I’m approaching this the wrong way tell me what’s the right way in Layman’s terms. Also you didn’t answer my question, what «verifiable» source got the right to update the Wiki with the information that is up there and is incorrect? I want to do this the right way but I have a problem with what has been allowed thus far. Please tell me why you feel I’m down the wrong path here? Also I think as a moderator it’s childish to be «done trying to help» me when all I did was make a general comment about how I feel about the process that’s in place. It’s not an attitude it’s an expression of frustration with the process in place. Is free speech not an option on Wiki? I’m sure there is a page on that too… I’m willing to discuss this via email with Raymond so we can come to an understanding how this is all suppose to work without coming to odds with each other. I’m also requesting a legal docket number from Raymond as a verifiable source.

-I am not a «moderator», I’m just someone who edits the Wiki, but I has as much freedom to «moderate» as anyone else. A verifiable source is in layman’s terms a source that other editors can check and verify. Taking someone’s word, like you’re asking us to do, is never an option. If you can’t back up your claim with reliable third party/independent sources (such as news reports, articles, non-self-published sources etc) then there’s nothing you can do. Even if it’s true, «verifiability, not truth» as the policy says, without something to back it up it means nothing. Listen, I know this whole Fear Factory legal situation is hard on everyone involved, and everyone wants a voice, but Wikipedia is not a soap box , and unless news sources (as an example) start reporting your side of the story there’s nothing that can be done about it. I have the deepest respect for Raymond and everyone in the band past and present but the situation you’re in you have a conflict of interest any views will be biased in our eyes, and what you’re trying to do it contradict the already established «truth», we can’t just disregard reliable sources on your say so. If you want the truth to be known I suggest Raymond reach out to them (you suggested Blabbermouth was biased, despite their disclaimer «BLABBERMOUTH.NET is run and operated independently of Roadrunner Records.» etc, as well as RR no longer having a stake in Fear Factory, perhaps you should take your side of the story to them for example) because Wikipedia is not the place for this. Regards, Rehevkor.

Η πλευρά του Χερρέρα εκπροσωπήθηκε τελικώς τόσο σε Μπλάμπερμάουθ όσο και σε άλλα μέσα: το τελευταίο Ντεσιμπέλ εκτός από απαίσιο εξώφυλλο, έχει και συνεντεύξεις των παλαιών τεσσάρων, των οποίων τις βασικές θέσεις μπορείτε να δείτε που αλλού; Ίσως μέχρι την συναυλία να έχω κατασταλάξει στο τι είναι αυτό που θα παρακολουθήσω. Το θέμα δεν είναι μόνο φιλοσοφικό, καθώς στην συναυλιακή θέση του Cyberwaste βρίσκεται τώρα πια το Linchpin. Για την ώρα αποφεύγω κάθε προκατάληψη και επικροτώ το (2010) Mechanize μόνο για την γραμμή που αναφέρει το always question authority.


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